Poetry in Motion: From Sound Systems to Storytelling & Spoken Truths

In this episode of Creatives Like Us, host Angela interviews performance poet Adisa, also known as The Verbaliser. Adisa shares his creative journey, beginning with his early involvement in Jamaican sound system culture and moving into poetry as a more meaningful and mature form of expression. He talks about being inspired by his father’s love of music and the discipline it taught him, as well as the importance of having role models and mentors in his early career.

Adisa discusses his work in schools and with corporate clients, using poetry as a tool to build confidence, cultural awareness, and connection. He reflects on the lack of Black history in mainstream education and how this drives his work with young people, especially African Caribbean boys. He also speaks about his involvement with the Black Unity Bike Ride, his love of cycling, and a passion project called The Poetry Pedlar. The episode ends with a live reading of his poem Take Time and a quick-fire Q&A. It’s a grounded and reflective conversation about creativity, culture, and using your voice with purpose.

The late and great poet - Benjamin Zephaniah said this about Adisa,  “ Adisa is the future it’s so good to have something to look forward to”. 

Links and Resources

Adisa’s Website: www.adisaworld.com

Instagram – @adisapoet: instagram.com/adisapoet

Black Unity Bike Ride: blackunitybikeride.com

Apples and Snakes: applesandsnakes.org

The Poetry Pedlar (YouTube series): https://www.youtube.com/@adisapoet

Benjamin Zephaniah (tribute/reference): benjaminzephaniah.com 

Chapters

• 1:10 Introducing Adisa
• 1:54 How did you get started?
• 4:23 Has it always been in you to be creative?
• 5:12 What instruments did you play growing up?
• 6:20 What work do you currently do?
• 11:38 Who are you catalyst connections?
• 15:19 What is next for you?
• 18:04 Tell us about the Black Unity Bike Ride movement?
• 20:17 What are your dreams going forward?
• 23:06 Can you give us a poem?

Transcript

Adisa

Enjoy failing. Failing is good. Getting it wrong is good. Don't be afraid of it. It'll be; it'll work out in the, in the end. You know, doing the whole poetry thing, it's bigger than the poetry. But to talk about, talk about history, as you say, in culture and and show how that influenced me as a kid. Growing up, I learned very little about African Caribbean history at school.

Angela

Hello and welcome to Creatives Like Us, where I speak with creatives of colour, who share journeys and stories and ideas, and how they can inspire and open up avenues in creative industries. I'm your host, graphic designer Angela Lyons, and with the help of my guests, I will bring insightful interviews and compelling stories that can inspire you to think about things differently or shape your next move. Being a creative of colour can bring its challenges - highs and lows and in betweens, but this podcast is about amplifying our voices and celebrating together. So are you ready? Let's get started with Creatives Like Us.

Hi everyone, and welcome to the Creatives Like Us podcast. And today we're talking to Adisa. Adisa, thank you for coming, and thank you for joining me. I've been dying to talk to you for ages, so we've finally made it. So can you tell people who you are, and what type of creative are you?

Adisa

Hi, Angela, thanks for having me. It's a great honour and a pleasure to be on your wonderful podcast. So I'm Adisa. I'm known as Adisa the Verbaliser, and I specialise in performance poetry, that's to say, I perform, and I also deliver a Creative Writing Workshop, mainly in education, but also to corporates as well, for team building, things like that. So yeah, I'm a performance poet.

Angela

Brilliant, brilliant. And I have actually heard Adisa in full flow and his poetry. And I also watch your YouTube videos. So I will put the links to that in there too, because I think they're brilliant and very inspiring. Can you tell us how you started?

Adisa

Well, going back back back in the day…

Angela

Going back back back in the day, go for it!

Adisa

How far do you wanna go? Let's go back to being 19 and being heavily influenced by Jamaican sound system culture. And so I joined the sound system. I wanted to be an MC, and I wanted to be a rapper making lyrics on the mic and stuff like that. But when you start out in the sound system, you start at the bottom, which is carrying the speakers.

Angela

I was about to say, were you carrying the speakers? Because I’ve seen those guys!

Adisa

Yeah, commonly known as box boys, yeah. And you have to serve your apprenticeship, which is, this is interesting. It's a whole system, there’s a whole structure, you got to work your way up to get into the microphone. So I did that, and I got to the microphone, and I became an MC. And I did that for about five, six years touring around the country. Well, Luton!

Angela

That's still - to everyone that's listening, and if you're not in the UK, Luton is in Hertfordshire?

Adisa

40 miles north of London.

Angela

Yeah, 40 miles north of London, yeah. It's part of the world.

Adisa

It is. It's a very dynamic part of the world. And I grew up in Luton anyways, so I was a sound system MC for quite a few years. Didn't call that poetry, but it was a love of word, words, and the power of words and creating images and exciting people with language. And I thoroughly enjoyed that. But the whole sound system culture in the early 90s really moved heavily into the whole kind of, kind of violent, violent streak and quite over sexualised lyrics. And I got turned off to that, so I started writing poetry which I thought was more mature. So I thought I’d graduated from sound system culture to poetry.

But anyway, so I ran poetry as a hobby at home, boring my brothers with my poetry, and they told me, Go, Go and read your poetry in public, maybe someone will like it. So I did.

Angela

Wow, fantastic.

Adisa

I took the steps of just going to performance poetry clubs and just reading for free. And I did that for a whole year, maybe a year and a half, just going to gigs and reading for free and open mic, just jumping on the stage reading a poem. Loved it. Got a buzz off it. Loved the excitement. Loved the front of the audience. Was petrified at first, but grew to love it. And then my turning point when I realised, okay, this could be my life, was in 1994 when I won the New Performance Poet of the Year competition hosted by the fabulous Apples and Snakes. And that gave me a kind of real, kind of inspiration shot where I thought, well, maybe I can make something out of this thing called poetry. Yeah.

Angela

Wow, and you've made a living from poetry. So brilliant, brilliant..So it's always been like in your bones, in your DNA, to be a performer, to be creative, to want to make creativity out of words?

Adisa

Yes, yeah. I mean, I think I got a lot of that from my dad, because my dad was a musician. I mean, he wasn't a professional musician. He was, that was his hobby. Played in a steel band and in the daytime he worked at Vauxhall! But in the evening, he played in the band, and he was so inspired by music that he got his children, the three of us, my two older brothers and myself, to play music also. Not by choice. We had no choice. We had to play music. I always tell a joke at school. It's a bit like the Jackson fives, you know. But we didn't make any money, but my dad was strict like that, you had to practice. You had to get good at it, and through that love of music, he played in the house. I would listen to the lyrics, and was really inspired by that. And that kind of, you know, deepened my love of language and lyrics.

Angela

Just out of interest. What instruments did you play, and your brothers?

Adisa

I played the drum kit. And so my dad literally brought home a second hand drum kit and said, you're gonna play that. It was literally like that?

Angela

Was it literally like that?

Adisa

I'm not. It wasn't like, what sort of instrument would you like to… No, you're playing that. And then he brought home an old battered piano, told my middle brother to play that. And he brought home a bass guitar, which he could play a little bit himself. And said to my eldest brother, you're going to play that. And he played the mandolin, which is a small banjo-looking like instrument.

Angela

Yeah. I know the mandolin plays and has a beautiful sound. Played well, when it’s played well! Like all instruments I suppose.

Adisa

Stay there!

Angela

Do you have it still?

Adisa

I have my father’s Madolin, so. There it is, the original. 

Angela

That's so nice. What a proud piece of heritage you’ve got there.

Adisa

Yeah, yeah.

Angela

That's so nice.

Adisa

A memory. Real strong memory.

Angela

Have you ever made a poem around the mandolin? About your dad.

Adisa

I haven't, and I should! I've written poems about my father, and the music, and his dedication to it and all that. And Domino's, yeah, not about the mandolin. And I should, because it's a real..

Angela

That’d be lovely. If you do do it, let me know, and I'll, yeah, I'll put it in them when I, when it comes out, link it in them, the podcast. That'd be lovely. So cool. It’s a pleasure, pleasure.

So just talking about what you're up to now, and obviously you've had the history of how you got started in your, in your current, I suppose, career as being a poet and a verbaliser, yeah. What do you do now? What, where? You said you worked with corporates and schools? Can you go into detail a little bit, maybe, about maybe both of those areas? So what you do with schools and how you help the children, and how you're going to corporates, and how you help them, especially around anything to do with our culture, or what they need to, what you think they might need to know about, or if they've actually called you in, and I'm sorry that seems like a lot of questions there, or if they've actually called you in to talk about something specific. So could you maybe talk about a little bit about schools and then maybe go to corporates?

Adisa

Yeah, so school work, and it's kind of twofold, really. On one hand, it's about inspiring young people to find their voice and find the confidence to share their voice through poetry. So that's - I go in, I share my work, I talk about my life, my history, how I got into it, and then I encourage them to write about things that are dear to their heart, sort of thing, like just like myself, and then to perform it. Encourage them to go to the next stage. Is go to the stage and share your work, own it. And so I get invited in to do that.

But also, a lot of the times when I work in a lot of inner city schools, it's to inspire, particularly African Caribbean young boys, who might be not switched on to their writing as much as they could be. So the idea that, you know, a role model, a role model like me coming in, was supposed to be inspiring for those young men, and I enjoy that role as well, and I see it as an opportunity, you know, doing the whole poetry thing. It's bigger than the poetry, but to talk about, talk about history, as you say, in culture and show how that influenced me as a kid. Growing up, I learned very little about African Carribean history at school. In fact, all I can remember was the transatlantic slave trade, and that was it. There was no connection to ancient civilisations and philosophers or architects or art. There was just nothing like that coming out of school. But I learned these things outside of school, and to be honest, that was one of the things that got me on the stage in the first place - to talk about history, that we don't often talk about in education. So I see that as part of my role to be like a storyteller, to share knowledge and information in an entertaining way inside, inside the walls of education. So, yeah, that's the education.

And the corporate side's been interesting, though, and that kind of started via Facebook/Meta. 

Angela

Oh, interesting…

Adisa

Before the, yeah, before the pandemic, I was invited in by the Tottenham, Tottenham Court Road office of Facebook. Their, one of their big sites.

Angela

Actually, Meta, Meta? So you actually got called in by Facebook?

Adisa

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Angela

Wow. I was like, Oh, you started on Facebook, maybe started a Facebook group or something, started chatting to people. No, you actually got called by Facebook!

Adisa

Yeah. Well, I got called by a person who worked - to put it into context. So they used to have this thing called the Analog Lab, which they don't have anymore, which was a, which was a part of the building, an area, a big room dedicated to art and expression. And they had a featured artist who was based there. And their role was to inspire the workers, the teams, to come in and just de-stress and be creative in this space, and sometimes they'd invite artists in, whether it's a potter, a painter or a writer. So they took a chance and invited the ‘Verbaliser’ into the facebook office to do a creative writing workshop/performance poetry. And I did it. Went down really well. Of course. They were like, we gotta do more of these. I thought, great. And then the pandemic hits, and it was like that stopped, and then they had the brainwave of, let's do it online. And that's when it really took off. So I got to work in Facebook groups all over the world, from, you know, Nigeria, Thailand, Israel, all over the place. So they'd have teams, they'd have an accounts team or an engineering team, and they just come online, and I would deliver a creative writing workshop via WhatsApp,

Angela

By Whatsapp or Zoom? BY Zoom?

Adisa

Zoom.

Angela

So what would the topics be like? Would it be anything? Would it be around COVID, or would it be around heritage? Or would it be, I suppose also, because I don't know, or would be, yeah, George Floyd, at the same time, was happening, and Black Lives Matter. So is it a mixture of all those things, or was it one thing in particular, or was it?

Adisa

There were a couple of packages that I designed. So one of them was just like, it was just a general Creative Writing expression kind of session, and the other one was a very bespoke package looking at Nigerian praise poetry called Oríkì poetry, where you look at your name, and you look at what your name means and who gave it to you, you look at the heritage behind it, and it kind of like, kind of stepping back and looking at whose shoulders you're standing on. It's about heritage. It's called praise poetry, and we should do that, deliver that workshop a lot as well. So clients would request the workshop they wanted, whether they wanted a straightforward poetry workshop or something with a more cultural dig to it. So I would deliver both of those.

Angela

Fantastic. Did anyone find any? Did anyone come back to you after those workshops and say, I never knew that, or, obviously I feel inspired and I'm carrying on. Or have you been following anyone?

Adisa

Yeah, yeah. Sometimes they kind of follow me on Instagram and say, you know, really enjoyed the session, and this is what I got from it. And that was really moving. People actually enjoyed it. I was quite surprised. They thought poetry, it's gonna be quite boring, so I think they actually enjoyed it, and were very creative in the sessions.

Angela

Yeah, I'd say Adisa you’re anything but boring.

Adisa

Thank you.

Angela

Especially seeing you in action. So no, it's really good. So actually, one of my next questions was the catalyst and connections. So you said your dad inspired you. I was always interested in how people actually come to where they are right now within their career. I know there's various people and points along the way, but was there anyone that's like said to you, I know you said your brother. Was there anyone else that said, Go and do this for a living? This is what you need to do, and how, and who's inspired you to do that?

Adisa

Yeah, poets, other poets who I looked up to at the time, when I first started out doing the open mics. There's a lovely brother who's now no longer with us, called brother Niyi, a Nigerian poet, Yoruba poet based in London, and he was doing great things. He would do. We did opening shows for people like Linton Kwesi Johnson. He was like, you know, supporting people like that. And I was like, in awe of him, because he would do these big shows, and I was just starting out, and he kind of took me under his wing and was like, gave me a good counsel, good advice on ways into, to making a living as a writer, because I didn't… When I started, I just enjoyed doing it as a means of self-expression. I didn't know you could make a living out of it when I first started out, but he told me about education work. It was him who told me, probably told me about going into schools and doing creative writing workshops. I didn't know that existed before I spoke to him. He was a great inspiration for me, brother Niyi.

Angela

Yeah, brilliant, brilliant. So with Brother Niyi, I don't, you can tell me a little bit more about him. So was he based in London, or was?

Adisa

Yes.

Angela

Are we still in Luton at this point? Are we in?

Adisa

No, we’re in London - at the time of winning that competition? New Performance Poet of the Year, I keep harping on about that!

Angela

Yeah, no, you know what, awards are important! So I'm going to introduce you next time as award-winning poet Adisa the verbaliser.

Adisa

Yeah, yeah!

Angela

You need to put that everywhere on your LinkedIn. Award-winning, okay?

Adisa

Yeah, I mean, on that, that competition was very, very important because it gave me a launch. I got to read some poems on Radio1 for the Mark Radcliffe show, I think it was.

Angela

Oh really? Fantastic.

Adisa

So that was really cool. And bigger than that, the judges of that competition, there were really some top judges, like Lemn Sissay, Jules, Barbie, and the great, late great Benjamin Zephaniah was also a judge. And Benjamin has been so helpful for my career over the years, because after the competition, he gave me a quote like, like, some nice words about me so I could put on my publicity. And he said, “Adisa is the future; it's so good to have something to look forward to”. And I used that quote to open many doors, the great Benjamin Zephaniah. And throughout my whole career, every time I buck up on Benjamin, he would be helpful. He wouldn't just be encouraging. He would be helpful. He'd be practically helpful and give me pointers and show me stepping stones to take a very generous human being, as everyone knows. But I mean, I have first-hand experience of how wonderful that man was and his work is. Yeah, I can't sing his praises enough. Always saying good things and helping. So yeah, that was a real turning point, that whole competition and meeting him, sign that, yeah.

Angela

So that was another catalyst connection where that just got you going. And just, yeah, it's amazing that, um, we forget, because we see all these names out there and, um, you think, Oh, they're big stars, and they're… but they're human too, and they're good people, they're good humans. And they do help people. And you forget that sometimes that they did start somewhere. They always want to, welI I know for me, for example, I always want to help people. That's one of the reasons why I'm doing this podcast too, that I hope that it inspires people, and I hope there might be maybe some future poets out there listening. You can make a living out of this, especially young people and young black boys, as you said, and just to feel that they have something that's inspirational, or that's not just, you know, the usual run of things out there or getting labeled with certain, you know, labels out there. It's just that, um, they can do something different with their lives, and, um, you're an inspiration, Adisa.

So you might, you might be a catalyst to somebody else out there at the moment. That's why I was asking about the corporate thing and the school kids, if they come back to you, because you know how people inspire you along the way. So you should find out if anyone's inspire you, I'm sure.

So one of my next questions I'd love to ask is, what are you up to next, and what would you like to do, and what would be your dream project, if there was any one? So I'll ask you, first off, what's, what are you up to next? What's, what's the next step for you? What's 2025 hold for you?

Adisa

Yeah, I'd like, Well, what I'd like to do more of the corporate work. I mean, I do probably 80% education at the moment. I'd like to do more going into institutions and working with adults. I've worked with young people for the last 25 years, if not longer, and I love it, and I'll continue it, but I'd like to go back to working with adults more and seeing how poetry can be used as a tool for team building, dealing with anxiety and pressure at work, but just using it as a valve, an outlet, to be creative in the workspace and make the teams more cohesive. That's one of the things I noticed from doing the Facebook work that people really gelled as units inside the poetry workshops. They developed, I think, more empathy for each other when they heard them sharing their poetry, sharing aspects of their life they might not have known about until this workshop, it comes out in a poem. So I think poetry's got a great role to play in the corporate world, and I'd like to do more of that.

But I'd also like to do more cycling, but cycling is - I'm a team cyclist. On my website, I have a section called the poetry peddler, and it's all about adventures on the bike and linking it to poetry. Whether it's about poetry about the journey or poetry inspired by things I see along the way or just the permits in my head, but it's about linking movement to words and imagery. And so I really want to develop that. I want to make that a thing. It's just, it's just a baby at the moment, but I really want to grow it, this idea of movement, travel and filming and creating these YouTube videos, which I normally do every two weeks, but I've been really lazy, and I haven’t done it for about last two months, which is terrible!

Angela

But work and life gets in the way. So don't beat yourself up too much, but you get back on it.

Adisa

I will get back on because consistency is so important with the whole YouTube thing.

Angela
Yeah.

Adisa

But yeah, I love, I love recording the videos. I love creating poetry to go with them. I love the editing process. I love all of it. It's just- it's just time-consuming, and obviously, it's not paying me at this stage, and so it's like, that's difficult to give it the time.

Angela

Yeah, I know that's the thing. It's because it's one of those things where it's a passion and you love it, but it's also good content. And also, it's also good content for the corporates that could be seeing you, or the schools that could be seeing you, out there that you're, it's another creative outlet. So, yeah, keep on at it. Keep going. I'm sure you will anyway.

Adisa

100%.

Angela

Yeah, and they are, they're really good videos. I mean, if you send them, because I know you send them, me the link, sometimes have a quick look see what's going on, especially when you leave London, and it's so beautiful, it's like, and you forget how, you know, we're so stuck in London sometimes. When you go, and are you allowed to take your bike on the train?

Adisa

Yeah.

Angela

At certain times, yeah. And, you know, we see what else is out there, not just um, London and nice scenery and where you've been and who you've met. So talking about bikes, you're also part of a movement?

Adisa

Yes.

Angela

Called Black Unity Bike Rides ( https://blackunitybikeride.com ). And you set that up? Do you want to tell us a little bit about that?

Adisa

I can't claim to have set up…  I'm just someone who has been with him on the journey and supported and I kind of lead the rides. I physically lead the rides on the day. Let me give some context. So we took on thought of this idea, of a ride going from East London into central London, out into South London, after the George Floyd murder. And his thing was, he didn't want to march and get angry, demonstrate a love, unity, and empowerment, in a physical sense, and that was about organising something well organised and demonstrating it in the streets, and not having a demonstration as such, but more a demonstration of love, of cycling, and of culture, and of people. So yeah, he's the brain behind that, and I just supported him along the way. And we do it every year, in August, 1st weekend in August, we make this beautiful pilgrimage across London, through central London, into Dulwich Park, and we have a festival there as well. So it's a beautiful day, beautiful day.

Angela

It is beautiful, I’ve been to two of them, and I absolutely love it. And I love, I love the music. I actually bought my own music this year, and I rode with some of the girls from BWOW, Black Women on Wheels. Oh my gosh. It's such a joyous, beautiful experience, especially when people through London are looking at you, going, what is going on? It's like hundreds, thousands of black people, brown people on bikes. And it's just like, it's so cool. Anyone can join in. Anyone of course, but it's just such a beautiful thing to have through London, I'd say. And then it's not, you know? And it's peaceful.

Adisa

Yeah. And what's really magical is that when we get to the end in the park, Dulwich Park, and we have the festival of music, there are lots and lots of people who just rock up, who have no bikes, no interest in riding, they just want to be part of that atmosphere, part of the energy. And that's a great sign, right?

Angela

It’s beautiful, isn’t it?

Adisa

Yeah, rock up to be part of the celebration. Yeah?

Angela

I'll also put the link in that too, so people can look at them on their website and their Instagram because they're very, you’re a charity now? Is it a charity?

Adisa

Yeah!

Angela

That's brilliant. And also great support from different communities. Keep going. Keep going. We love it.

So one of my questions, I think I know I asked a lot of questions when I asked what I said about what's next in the future? What is your, um, your dream project, if you could manifest someone you'd like to work with? I know you said you want to work with corporates, which is great, and obviously they pay the bills, and you want to feel inspiring people. But if there's one thing that you would love to do, or could be for work, or it could be something personal, manifest it out there.

Adisa

Yeah, yeah, it’s true. I mean, like, or how long ago? Maybe, like, maybe 10 years ago. Was it that long ago? Yeah, maybe about 10 years ago. I was doing a lot of music and poetry sessions. I worked with a live band, and we did show, we did support, support gigs at the jazz cafe, some quite big artists at the time. And so we were doing up a little name for ourselves, poetry and music. I'd like to do more of that. I'd like to work with a band again, maybe work with singers, poets. Have some poetry featuring on R&B songs, or hip hop songs. I'd like to do more music collaborations again, because I really enjoyed that whole part of my journey and when I worked with a live band. So I don't particularly have any key people I have in mind, but just the concept of working with musicians really does speak to me, and I'd like to rekindle that. That really ignites my fire, that's my personal expression for music and poetry. So yeah, I'd like to get back on that. Yeah.

Angela

That'd be good, because that comes full circle.

Adisa

Yeah, yeah, yeah!

Angela

It's how you started, with your dad giving you the drums. So yeah, that'd be brilliant. Well, I think you've manifested it out there. So if anyone's listening… So one of the things that I like to ask people is, what would you, what advice would you tell your teenage self?

Adisa

Enjoy failing. Failing is good. Getting it wrong is good. Don't be afraid of it. It'll work out in the end. So I've, as most people have, you know, I've been quite adventurous. I'm a risk taker to come away from my kind of normal nine to five job and become self employed artist, was a risk many years ago, but there's been an element of not taking enough risks regarding publishing my work. Like I have published my work in many anthologies, and I have my own collection of poetry, but in the early days, I was really almost petrified of sending my work out there to be looked at, to be, to be scrutinised, because of the fear of failure. It took a long while to get that confidence to say, okay, that's just part of the business. You're going to get told no lots of times, and that's okay. And then, you know people as they do, and they did, say yes, and sometimes, but yeah, when I started out, I was very scared of failing as we are, but just yeah, to realise failing is all good. It's all very good. Yeah.

Angela

It's interesting what you said about, you get yeses and nos, because nos are just as good as yeses, because no could mean no, I don't need you just now, but I'll come back to you. So don't take that as a no for definite, and if you really want it still carry on, maybe just try again, or just try a different way of getting but, yes, but again, those are not. Those are a good thing, not just feeling it as a negative. I know I'm gonna put you on the spot, Adisa, because I was gonna ask, could you tell us? Could you give us a poem? I just thought about it!

Adisa

Okay, let's do that! My little full book there. Let's give you a little poem, just flicking through, I know which one…oh there it is.

Angela

I love that you’re still holding the mandolin too! 

Adisa

It’s great. It feels good. So, um, this poem is called, Take Time, and it is about taking time.

Take a hexagon of honey from a hive on a hazy afternoon.

Take a note from a lullaby sung to a baby in a womb.

Take a single raindrop before it hits the ground.

Take a grain of sand and oyster spinning around and around and around.

Take the pollen of a petal all covered in dew.

Take the calm after the storm as the sun comes breaking through.

Take the striking of a flint, causing the wood to ignite.

Take the precision of an owl severing the air with its prey in sight.

Take the second you know you're wrong. Studies say you're right.

Take the exact moment day becomes night.

Take a magic word, whispered in your ear.

Take the scent of light filling you with fear.

Take the taste of death trapped inside a tear.

Take a good look at God as in the mirror you stare.

Take time to see all these manifestations are reflections of you and me.

There you go.

Angela

Oh, my God, you're just giving me goosebumps.

Adisa

You're too kind.

Angela

Seriously, that is so beautiful.

Adisa

Oh, you're welcome.

Angela 

Yes, so lovely. Thank you. Wow, left me a bit speechless. I love that last line. Oh my gosh. Thank you. Adisa, I've not quite finished with you yet. All right.

Adisa

What about my mandolin!

Angela

Well, yeah, can you play that in it and give me another point, I'm just gonna have you online all day now, entertaining me. I always ask my guests a quick fire question, yeah, so it's a quick fire in five, so you have to answer quickly and you can only have one answer - so the first one is crisps or chocolates?

Adisa

Chocolates

Angela

Beach or forest? 

Adisa

Forest

Angela

Book or Kindle?

Adisa

Book.

Angela

Reggae or soul?

Adisa

Reggae

Angela

Patty or a sandwich?

Adisa

Sandwich. *laughter* I love it!

Angela

That normally gets people, most people, well, a few people have said, oh no, I can't choose! One guy, when I asked them, David, Reggae or Soul, he was so funny, he was like, no, no!

Adisa

Can’t separate them.

Angela

I can’t separate them! Oh, brilliant. Well, thank you Adisa. I've really, really enjoyed talking to you. Is there any where people can find you? And if they'd like to work with you, how would they get in touch with you?

Adisa

So two ways. I mean, go for my website, which is https://www.adisaworlds.com/ or Instagram, https://www.instagram.com/adisapoet/  My handle for Instagram is @adisapoet, yeah, and they can email me through those.

Angela

I will again put those in the, links all up, setup on the website, and so people can click through or the Spotify links. It's all good. They will get hold of you there. Is there anything else you'd like to say or add before we leave, or anything you want to, any subjects that you might have wanted to talk about, that I didn't ask you a question about, or you want to share with people?

Adisa

No, just to say, this is an amazing experience. You're doing a wonderful job. I wish you all great success, and wish you will have it. It’ll come to you. So thank you for doing this, for providing this platform. It's a great thing.

Angela

Thank you. Oh bless you. Thank you Adisa. I really enjoyed talking to you. So thank you so much.

Adisa

You're welcome.

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