Flip The Script: Reflections on Season One

The mic flips for our Creatives Like Us season finale! Host Angela Lyons takes the guest seat while producer Heather Pownall leads an open, honest conversation about Angela’s journey from launching the podcast to growing her voice and confidence as a Black creative business owner. From the behind-the-scenes work to the meaningful messages from listeners, Angela shares the milestones, the lessons, and the moments that made season one unforgettable.

We’re talking vision, resilience, and the power of showing up and Angela isn’t stopping here. She shares what’s ahead: the Creatives Like Us live event, more solo episodes, and a focus on welcoming more creatives of colour and amplifying voices for season two. This finale is both a celebration and an inspiring look at what’s next.

Creatives Like Us - the Event
Thursday 19th October 2025
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Transcript

Angela (00:10.35)
Hello and welcome to Creatives Like Us, where I speak with creatives of colour who share journeys and stories and ideas and how they can inspire and open up avenues in creative industries. I'm your host, graphic designer Angela Lyons, and with the help of my guests, I will bring you insightful interviews and compelling stories that can inspire you to think about things differently or shape your next move. Being a creative of color can bring us challenges, highs and lows and in-betweens.

But this podcast is about amplifying our voices and celebrating together. So are you ready? Let's get started with creatives like us.

Hello, welcome to Creators Like Us and I'm back again, Heather Pownal as the producer to interview the host Angela Lyons. Hello, Angela. Hello, hello.

You're right Heather, feels weird me, because I normally say hello, welcome to Creatives Like Us and tell me what kind of creative are you?

So 16 episodes under your belt, you have produced series one. It has happened. It has aired. So tell me, how are you feeling from what your vision was back at the beginning to 16 conversations down? Where are you now in your vision?

Angela (01:24.098)
the vision, my gosh, it's funny because people always said that you've got to have a business plan, but I've just not winged it, but I've just said, let's just go for it and see what happens. And the vision from the beginning was to help hopefully inspire and get conversations going. And I think that is actually happens, especially from the feedback I've got from people. And so that's the vision is my vision was to get people talking and inspired and hopefully.

spread the words and tell people about the guests that have been on the podcast. So that's been the main aim and the main vision for it. So yes, it's been great. And I love that people have shared it and been speaking about it. And even when I go into rooms now and I say, hi, I'm Angie, a graphic designer. And I think, gosh, I've got to say, and a podcaster too.

Yeah, I am like that. You've achieved the vision that you initially set out, but has it evolved at all or is it evolving because of the conversations you're having?

Yeah.

Angela (02:22.536)
Yeah, I think so, especially the ideas I've got for season two, which have been great. So it's still evolving, still have great guests and it's been fantastic. Like people reaching out to me asking if they can come on. And also I've already recorded a few for the next season and also just switching it up a little bit because I think it'd be great if I did a few solo episodes. So it just be me and challenging talking about a topic around maybe what the last guest has spoken about.

around their business or any topic around what they've actually spoken about. So yeah, that's how it's kind of evolving, I'd say.

Do you know, for me, when you were talking about doing that, that shows you in a different headspace where you're like, right, I know what I want to talk about now. I've been doing it with the guests. Now I have something to say. But as when we first spoke at what you were like, well, I don't really want to be doing the talk and I want to get the guests to do it. So you can see the evolution of that as you as a producer with me and as a host as well. Yeah. You see how that's evolved in that way.

Also, I have to say, before we go any further, I should have said this right from the start, Heather. Thank you so much for you because you've encouraged me and you've helped me evolve too. So as a, my confidence and also podcasting. So thank you so much. And I'm just got to big you up. So big up, big up, big up, Heather.

Well, I'll take that. Thank you very much. But it is all you and I just really enjoy supporting you and seeing your project flourish and that's what I'm meant to do. I'm meant to help you create it, but create it in your vision and maybe beyond what you were expecting as well. And that's what I like to do with you and with my clients is, know, what is it you want to do? Is there an actual other angle here or is there another way of doing this? And that's what we're kind of figuring out together.

Heather (04:08.322)
I will come back onto the mega work that a podcast actually is. But before we go on to that part, could you tell me what the biggest surprise or learnings that you've had with the conversations you've had with your guests? Have you had any big like, hadn't thought of that.

What have I thought about? have I thought about? No, not massively, but it was just more so when people, say for example, I promoted an episode and for example, Dominique's episode, that was the first one with a guest apart from me and you. And when that went out on LinkedIn and then Dominique actually did a post about it a few months later and somebody actually remembered that. And so that to me was just like, wow, I love that it's reached certain people and they've had that conversation going and it's sparked other people to think I need to have that conversation too, especially around colour.

and being represented in certain spaces. Another one that really surprised me and learnings from it again, I suppose it is again the conversations when Sylvia Prince spoke, the illustrator, and she had a series along her drawings around Vitaligo Society. And somebody actually DMed me around that and said, I'm really glad that this has been spoken about and I'm going to follow Sylvia now. Again, it's just like that whole connections. That's what's the one that's just, I suppose the learnings from that is just that you don't know who you're going to touch.

That's my major thing from it.

Isn't that fantastic? When we had our conversation, when we did the first interview before we launched, you talked a lot about paying it forward and connections, even if you helped one person. That's incredible, isn't it? That's what you're just saying, that what's gone out there has sparked other conversations. It sparked possibly collaborations, but definitely a connection there. And I just think that's fabulous.

Heather (05:51.116)
What about recurrent themes? I know you had specific questions that you wanted to ask each person, but what did you feel the recurrent themes were through all 16 conversations that you had?

apart from the quick-fire-fire questions that people just always got stuck on those. Anyway, not about those. Recurring bees. I think, do know what, always end on, what would you tell your younger self? And a lot of people just, a lot of them said, just go for it and be confident in themselves. And it's so hard when you're young, not, obviously we don't know, do we? And when we're adults, obviously, throughout the years, I mean, it's taken me how many years to get confident to actually speak.

you know, be on summits or be on a podcast and actually find your voice. Whereas if you'd have asked me when I was a teenager, I'd been like, no. And I know some people are really confident when they're younger, but one of the things that I say people have said a lot is the confidence. And they wish they had that when they were younger, just say, go for it, believe in yourself. And I wish that, you know, we did do that when we younger. Because who knows what would happen, but everything happens over time, doesn't it?

Yeah, you can only be ready when you're ready, I suppose.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even as podcast and myself, it took me a while to actually get going. And then I know you sent me the episodes to listen back. And I'm just like, I can't listen to my voice. But I really had to because obviously it's our work and I have to like make sure that it's, you know, it's there's anything that I need to hear or edit out or anything. But it like listen to my voice. was like, no, but it's that confidence again. And then people say to me, you know, you're a podcast now. That must be so cool. You're so cool. I'm like inside, I'm like, my God.

Angela (07:22.36)
But I'm embracing it now. It's taken me a while, so taken me a few episodes in. So yeah, confidence is a massive thing. It's a massive thing.

Confidence and belief aspect and I'm learning wrong truths and all of that, but that's a whole other episode if we're going down that line. But what you are doing with the conversations you're having, are actually shining a light on that and you are actually touching on these and for depending on who you've been speaking to, that's been more prevalent than others where they have had to really work on their confidence and talk about that. And there's been others that have just been, I've just followed where the doors have opened.

Click.

Heather (07:58.882)
So it's like hearing those different stories and like, do you know what? Your path is going to open up for you, which way is just be open to following it, I think. I think it's that way, isn't it? Yeah. I've really enjoyed editing it. I've really enjoyed listening to the conversations, but how have the guests and the listeners been impacted, do you think, by this podcast? How have they been impacted?

At the end of every episode, the guests, I give them the graphics and I give them social media texts if they want to use it and I give them videos like little social media prompts and things like that and always share it. And I think when they share it, other people in their audience say, my God, I didn't know that about you. So that's the impact I think that we've given them. I think that people find that out about me too. And they say, my God, you got a podcast. didn't know you had a podcast. Every time you keep on sharing.

We get more downloads we get and you see, there's some types, the analytics of where people download from that has impacted my, gain a bit of confidence too. and I share that with a guest who I said, listen, your episode is so, so been downloaded so many times. I mean, of course we're not talking about in the thousands cause it only started in January, but the impact on them I'd say is that it gives them more of a, what's the word, their followers more of a insight into them. So that's the impact that I think is given them.

I always say to people as well, when you're working in smaller numbers at the moment or more niche or you don't have a media machine behind you, so you're doing your kind of organic growth with it. If you were to take the lessons of an episode and put them all in a room, I always say that if you could take all those sets of years and realize that they are people and stick them in a room, that's who you're connecting with. And I always think when you try and visualize the actual

amount of people that it starts being bigger than not thinking, you know, being, I don't know, can't think of anything. But just think if it's 40 people, 100 people, 150 people, 300 people, you start putting all those in a room and people start connecting, they start following each other on LinkedIn or on Instagram or, you know, the visibility of you as a host, but also of your guests and then the audience.

Angela (09:56.664)
Yeah.

Heather (10:16.492)
and it all starts and that's that connection that you're talking about. So let's go on to that. How has it impacted your business? You as the host, what's that done for your visibility and just your brand, I suppose?

Yeah, it is amazing. The message, I've got to say that it's amazing and people reaching out and saying, they're just really glad that I've started it and I've done it. And again, it's just been awareness and visibility and people like walking into a certain client office and they say, oh, I listened to that podcast episode. That was a great one. So I'm like, oh, do you listen? Yeah. And I was like, oh my God. And it's like cringe, but it's like, you know, but then I think, no, I don't show them the cringe. I'm like, okay, thanks. And I just walked away and I carry on, know, so.

It's one of those and it's good. It's not showing off. It's not showing off about it, but it's just, it's just being proud of it. Yeah. Yeah. Being appreciative that people are listening. Again, it's amazing because you think how do I get client work into my business? And a lot of it, well, a lot of my work is referrals. And I think again, it is visibility and people see me post about the podcast with each episode. put each episode on my website. So again, and I create that as a blog post so people can see that.

So you just don't know who you're going to impact, but you notice that certain inquiries are coming in because my name's starting to reach Google at the top, like freelance graphic designer, you know, so you just don't know, you can't really track all of it, but you kind of work out when you post certain things, can, when people come into your business and more eyes on your business. So in that sense, not directly, people have said, I want to work because of the podcast, but you don't know what other touch points in my marketing people have come in. But yeah, it's, I'd say definitely the visibility has been.

It's been good. And that was actually my word of the year last year was invisibility. So just going to carry on.

Heather (12:03.246)
you've knocked that out of the park as a goal of this year. You've had people approach you to collaborate and there's been other opportunities. You get invited to events, but also you're getting invited to speak. Now this was happening anyway, but has that elevated since the podcast or do feel it has?

I feel like it has definitely. think again, once people see you out there and doing certain things and actually again, listening to the podcast, I reckon that that as people have got the confidence is that to say, she can speak, she can do this, she can come and come onto my design summit. I told you about the designer boss summit that's going to happening in the end of August. And by the time this episode comes out, this will be live. So yes, we can talk about that. So, and that is a massive design summit. It's like online design summit in...

And it's global and there's like amazing designer speaking, Christo. mean, my picture is next to Christo. I'm actually at the bottom, but a little bit smaller of course, but you know.

You're there, you're there. Don't play that down at all though. I think it's absolutely incredible. Bask in the wind of that.

Yeah, and also I know, I know definitely Anna, I'll say this because I know that she's put a call out for more diverse speakers. And so if you are listening and you are a designer, a creative, approach her, you know, pitch to be on her summit. I encourage you to do that because when you look at the lineup, I looked at the lineup last year and I actually DM'd a couple of my friends and I said, what is this? And I just said, where are the black creatives? There are black designers out there. And I'm always seeing the same faces there.

Angela (13:40.3)
I said to my friends, we should start up a summit or we should do something. And it would be great. Obviously it's a lot of work, this, Anna's already got the numbers there. She's already got the people coming into her business. So I know that she is actively calling out for more black speakers. I know that for a fact. So if you are and you're listening, contact her. It's the Designer Boss Summit. So she asked me to come on and I was like, yeah, didn't know what I was going to speak about, but I was like, yes, straight away. I know I can do this.

And you've spoken a few times, not just this year, the last few years, that has been something that's been increasing for you as well. As you as a business personality, if you like, but also as part of your brand, has been something that's been happening. And I'm sure the podcast has helped elevate that for you.

Yeah, think so. Definitely, definitely. it's also confidence, just that if you're speaking regularly every couple of weeks to people, that's more speaking you do it and then more listening to their voices, listening to what they're about, giving me ideas. We share ideas. Again, it's just, yeah, it's all about sharing. And of course the Creative Like Us event with, I know we're going to maybe speak about that. That has been phenomenal. IO, Abbas and Vanessa Bellard, we founded that and it's just been, again, another opportunity.

get our voices out there and raise awareness in black businesses.

Let's just move on to that actually. Tell me a bit more about the event and how that was complementing the podcast.

Angela (15:04.47)
Yeah, yeah, sure. So Creatives Like Us, the first event was this year in February. And it was funny because I and I, we couldn't think of a name to call the event. So I said, why don't we call it the same thing as my podcast? Because it is around talking about black business owners and the event is a, we call it a workshop for black, brown creatives who are in business. And you don't have to be a creative as such, like a traditional creative. But you are creative in your business. You've got to market your business. You've got to talk about your business. So it's ways around your business.

to be creative in it. And so we created a workshop for that. The keynote speaker the first time around was Vanessa. We also had some mindfulness by Peju. She inspired us at the beginning of the actual workshop. And then we also had panel talks and panel discussions. Most amazing thing that I loved, and I think the guests loved, the attendees loved, was the networking. And somebody actually wrote down on the feedback form that was one of the best networking events I've been to. Because we're not a big organization, we're more...

a small community at the moment and the people that have come and attended, they've been really, what's the word, open and interested in talking about their business, but also hearing about other people's business. So we have Hive Masterminds where you come to the event with a question or an element about your business that you want help on. And then we work in small groups, we call them Hives, and everybody gets a chance to speak to help the other person on their business. So it's a real community-based.

workshop we call it, yeah, an event. And obviously we get food and drink and then there's more networking and it's just so awesome and people are coming back. And the next event is in October, October the 16th. Actually, I'll put the link in the show notes for that because tickets, there's early bird tickets for the 1st of September, then the price goes up after that. And it's not even that much, it's like 30, pounds. I mean, it's nothing for an evening out. It's nothing for an event. so we actually

You know, I'm not saying we don't make anybody authors, but it's more about our community and we also give 15 % to a local charity. So we are about the community and, but we just want to see businesses thrive, especially black and brown creatives, because sometimes it can be a real confidence thing. They don't believe in themselves. They don't want to go for it. And I think myself, IO and Vanessa, I say definitely Vanessa and I, they're forces. And when I think people see them, they think.

Angela (17:27.574)
I can be like that too, I can be positive, I can be a false too. And that's what we're trying to do is just empower and create community and just uplift each other.

And just listening to you and the passion that's coming out, yeah, that's lovely. We talked as well about it's not a podcast, it's not an event, it's a bit of a movement that's kind of a momentum and a movement that's happening with you. I feel that, I feel that when you show up with all of your socials as well, there's just, there is a real strength behind you. There is positivity that comes out of everything that you post as well. I think...

don't think that should be taken, I don't mean for granted, but there's a lot of power there in what you're doing, but I think you're so humble about it. So, you know, but there is. We discussed doing this interview and when we discussed it, we talked about all the different areas that we might want to raise. And one of the issues that came up was actually some people not wanting to be associated with the podcast. And it's a bit of challenges and identity tensions maybe. So I don't know if you want to talk about that.

I normally ask people to come onto the podcast, especially if I've seen them online, I think they'll be a great guest. And obviously if I've seen them speak, think, God, they'll be great. And then some people, I've seen them speak on other podcasts and I've asked them to come on. said, they pretty much said, no, but wish me luck. And that's kind of okay, because they might not want to be associated with something that's strictly black at the end of the day. And they might not want that, even though I'm asking black, brown creatives to come on, they might not feel that that fits in with...

what they're about and what their brand is about and how they want to publicize themselves. Whereas on the other hand, I've had people contact me and I'm like, my God, that's like, they're huge. So, and it's good, it's not for numbers. It's just more so they're such amazing people. And I just think, my God. So hopefully season two, I'll have a couple of those on. I've just got work out dates and recordings. So yeah, it's been a, it's been a real mix of people that want to be associated with it and a mix that don'ts and

Angela (19:27.534)
Because it is guest interviews, it is quite tricky and it's my time at the end of the day. I'm organizing this. I'm setting up the emails. Thank God I've got a system in place because if I didn't have a system in place, that would be a nightmare. But I've got my folders, I've got everything set up and I've got my emails in place. So if I don't hear from people, I do get a bit disheartened. But then when I do hear from them and I've asked them again for the third time maybe, and then if they don't answer me after that, I'm like, okay, we're done. But if they come back, that's cool. And then sometimes I met this lovely lady online and she's an amazing artist and I've asked her,

but she actually said she can't speak at the moment. So I said, well, let's collaborate maybe on a blog post and she was definitely up for that. So then again, I mustn't judge if people say no, there might be other reasons why they can't come on. So we have to consider that too. So, but yeah, you know what I'm grateful for all the guests that have been on. Thank you so much. I have to say that. And I always say thank you to them because it is their time. So yeah, I'm very grateful that.

Yeah. It's something, isn't it, when people agree, go, yeah, I want to be on that. Or when they reach the next thing, can I be on this? I just want to go back to the affirmation that we did in that first episode where we said some really big names like Michelle Obama, any other names there, you want to just put that up?

Yay!

Angela (20:41.742)
I mentioned Judy Love, do remember? said Judy Love. Oh yeah! I'd love to speak to her. She'd be so fun. So yeah, I'd love to talk to Judy Love. There's some other people that I've been on also that I'm just like really blessed. The ones that I'm going to speak to hopefully for the season two that I'm like, oh my gosh, amazing artists that I can't wait to speak to. Singer and illustrator. So hopefully they'll come and say hi and come on. Yeah. So who else can we talk to? Who else can I?

I've got my hit list on my spreadsheet. I've got my Google Docs here.

I think we should cast the net a bit wider. You never know. And listen to Rachel Rogers at the moment, her book, We Should All Be Millionaires. I think that's what it's called, isn't it? I'm that in audible. She'd be a great guest to go on.

Yeah.

Angela (21:29.932)
Yes, she would be. She make us all millions too, or tell us how to do it.

Yeah. Okay. All right. So we're evolving quite well. So before I go into the full evolution of series two, let's just talk about the realities of producing a series, a series of podcasts. Cause I get it all the time in my life with people like, I want to do a podcast. So I have to like unpick that with people and go right why and work out what their purpose is, why they want to do it. If they even understand them, what a podcast is. sometimes

It's not, they tell you what they want. You're not actually describing a podcast to me, you're describing, I don't know, self webinars or actually just a set of videos for social media or whatever it is. So you start working back what it is they're trying to achieve and then go, right, okay, this is how you can use a podcast. But they also don't realize the scope of work that's involved in it. Has that surprised you or what have you learned about yourself in this process?

Yeah, I mean, and people did say to me, if you start a podcast, a lot of work, obviously I'm grateful for you helping with the editing, but you know, before that, you've got to get the guests on, got to do the emails, got to book the calendar timeout. And a lot of guests are talking, want to talk during the day. And obviously that's, I'm working during the day, so I'll have to make time for that. I used to have two a day. I'm not doing that anymore. So I just have one and that's either on a Monday and a Tuesday. And so literally I've just got a block out time for that in the morning. that's.

a big impact because time-wise, again, gathering all the graphics and thank God for templates, grabbing their social media handles, grabbing their buyers. It's just admin, more admin work. And then once you get the episodes, doing the transcripts and making sure they kind of look okay, even though AI is great and that helps a lot, putting that into the blog post for the website and also into a bus route. So that's again, more work. It's just admin. is a lot of admin. I say around each episode can take up to about.

Angela (23:25.91)
an hour and a half, two hours of time just to get it all sorted. And then obviously send off the graphics to the guests themselves to make sure that they've got their own folder. Some use it, most do actually. Most are very grateful for it because I give them the podcast arts and then some snippets of the episode. So yeah, I think again, it's an easy win for me to give them the graphics because they show it on their followers. But yeah, again, that takes time. And then again, down to me to promote it.

And I wish I could do more of that. But again, it's like, I've got business, so I've got to think about my business and then I've got to do the podcast. So it's first and secondary because the podcast doesn't bring in money as we know. Not at the moment anyway. So if anyone wants to sponsor us, please do. And even if it's just sponsoring, you know, some software, bit of software, it's just, that makes a massive difference. I have to pay, just talking logistics wise, we have to pay for Buzzsprout.

have to pay for Riverside, the recording software we use. I use Metricall to schedule the posts, so that obviously that's a cost. So yeah, there's just various costs that are coming out, I suppose, of my business to pay for it. So that's the logistics and the manufacturer side of things. Yeah. But it's worth it.

It's worth it. It is worth it. But you've got, it's evergreen, that's the other thing, it's evergreen. And you can revisit this in different ways. You can start increasing blog posts. You can do, when you start doing your solo episodes, maybe some of those will be reflected on some of the earlier ones that you start dissecting some of the other episodes, that type of thing. This is the evolution part of, you've talked about doing the solo episodes. You've talked about, you've already got some episodes.

recorded and I have to say you are so efficient and so busy because I'll go right I'll go in and I'll start editing some of these and then there's another four recorded episodes. Wow she's done some more. It's like loads done. So tell me a bit more about the need and the agenda of doing the solo episodes. What's purpose?

Angela (25:21.582)
I think coming back to finding my voice and being confident that I want to, I suppose, talk some more about what the guests do and a about what I do and you do, you know, and get around creating a podcast and also around our businesses. think, cause what we do when I have been speaking to people is they are business owners and a lot of them are not working full time for somebody or if they are.

They've got the side hustle, which is their creative business or their creativity or whatever they're doing with that. And I think that will be really good to explore as solo episodes and get more eyes and ears into the business really and into the podcast. And if people don't like it, they want the guests, that's all cool too. But hopefully they will like it. And it's not like the guests are going, so the guests are still here, but it's just in between doing solo episodes. And they won't be long episodes. Don't worry, won't hear me waffling on forever.

Yeah, you can always go back, go back, like I was saying, so like you could do a run of solos and then I'll like, you know what, I think a bit differently about this particular thing now because I've learned XYZ now or whatever it is, you can revisit things, whether that's as practical as a piece of software or just that you've evolved further in your leadership or whatever it is, you can go back and go, I thought this then, but I think this now because XYZ. I enjoy episodes like that myself.

So I'm looking forward to them, looking forward to hearing them. looking ahead then, if you could pass one piece of encouragement on to your listeners, what would it be?

If you have an idea and you want to start something, just start it. Stop worrying about what other people think. Just go for it. If you've got the capacity, just go for it.

Heather (27:04.814)
Yeah, I agree with that. I've started, it sounds a bit callous, I don't mean it this way, but it doesn't matter. And what I mean is it doesn't matter that you're not hurting anybody or anything like that. You're just trying something out or you're trying and you're evolving, you're learning, whatever. And apparently I think it was Cher that said, ask yourself, will I be worrying about this in five years time? And the answer is no, then don't worry about it.

Don't worry about it. It's exactly that. Yeah, it's actually that.

And then there's like, if you start doing, you start learning and you start growing.

Exactly. just keep on thinking about when people and that's another thing because people might think, my God, she's doing like me referring to me thinking, oh, she's doing this. She's got a newsletter. She's doing her business. She's got a podcast. It's like it didn't happen overnight. It literally just, it's taken me about how many years to get here. You know, it's just, it's, mean, as I said at the beginning, right at the beginning of episode, the first episode, I've been thinking about this for two years and like I should have started it, but I didn't, you know.

various things happen, but if you're ready to start something, you want to do it, just go for it. just, yeah. Thank you for everyone supporting, by the way. I have to, can I give some shout outs? Yeah. I have to thank my dear friends, Mel Barfield and Molly. they've just been like, I remember sitting on the train coming back from UR the media with, the conference that Mark Masters has. And I was saying to Molly, I've got my podcast. I don't know what to call it. And we were sitting on the train for ages, trying to work out the name.

Heather (28:16.236)
Yay, let's do it!

Angela (28:33.838)
It was so funny. She goes, I'm sure you must have written something else. I'm sure I've written something. And then we carried on trying to work out names. went, no, I've written something. So I went in my notes. I was like, creatives like us. I wrote that down a few years ago. Let's use that. I'm going to use that. Thank you, Molly, like, a reminder of me and encouraging me. Mel and Ben McKinney on their podcast, Indie Business Club, they always give me shout outs, either in their newsletter or on air. And honestly, I do see, every time they mention me, I see one download and I'm just like,

downloaded because I've got it on my app on my phone a Buzzsprout thing pops up. some yes, I'm not saying I don't know who they are, where they are in the world. It might be because of that, but I have to give thanks and say thank you to them. I thank you Heather. You're amazing. Who else can I thank? Dominique. Oh my god, Dominique is always like when I have an episode. She's always texted me. I love that episode. Dominique is Dominique from the works and Dominique from work haven. She's been just awesome. Awesome. Oh my gosh, there's so many people. The Being Freelance crew.

Steve, again, speaks to about podcasts. He's like really great around, you know, he's got the Being Free Life podcast in the community. And there's people within there like Erin and Kayleigh and Ayo. Of course, Ayo gave me lots of tips. She's got her podcast and she gave me loads of tips on podcasting and again, getting organized. Oh, you know who I do have to thank because they were awesome, awesome. Especially around contacting guests afterwards as John Clayton. And he's got the architecture. Oh gosh, business.

Yes. And he was really great in helping me set things up. Yeah. Who else? else? If I mentioned any more names, I'm sorry if I haven't remembered you all, but I know that whoever's DM'd me and said they've listened to the episodes. And I think one of my biggest champions also is Ella She always encouraged me from day one when was designing freelance and magazine with Sophie. of course, Sophie, my God, she gives me ad space too. It's just that she's so awesome, especially around creatives like us. yeah, it's just.

there's been so many awesome people in community that have just really just wanted to get this, help me get this podcast out and encouraging me to do it. So thank you. Thank you to those.

Heather (30:34.446)
I'd like to thank back to you. Thank you. And that all happens because of the energy you put out as well. You're a huge cheerleader to everybody you just mentioned. You've cheerleaded them.

you've helped them and their businesses in so many different ways as well. Like every person you've mentioned, you've worked with in some sort of way or supported them as they've been going on to a big stage. Like Mel, you've been at lot of the events that Mel's speaking at and I know that you're always champion. And for me, you've done a lot of amazing design work for my clients as well. when I go in and I look at the socials, I was like, that looks nice. That looks good.

And you are an absolute joy in the world. think I call you sunshine. You're a ray of sunshine. You're so positive. You put such positivity out there for everybody that crosses your path. You want everybody to do well. And I think that's what comes back to you. We all want you to do well. We all want it to be a success for you as well. And I think that's why you get so many shout outs too. So let's go right back to...

Thank Thank you everyone.

Heather (31:46.886)
coming together and listening to the first fully edited episodes. Can you remember how you felt?

I I DM'd you didn't I went, my god, that's amazing.

Angela (32:00.334)
We put two episodes out at the same time, didn't we put mine and your episodes out and Dominique's episode, which I just have to say, Dominique, again, a big shout out and her episode has been the most downloaded. Honestly, every other week people are still downloading it. But when I first heard the episode, and again, I had to listen to my voice, I was like, oh my God, these are really good. It sounds terrible that I was actually shocked that they sounded good. But yeah, was, what a feeling. It's just great.

That's good. And that's you moving into your key person of influence stage now, basically. That's you moving into that. So Ange, you've been delighted with the podcast in its entirety as it's gone out and you are 16 episodes down. So what is the invitation you want to do for your listeners? What do want to ask them to do for you?

Bloody hell.

Angela (32:47.48)
Share please, tell people if you really like the episodes, if you liked any voices that you've heard or anything that's inspired you, maybe share it on social media or pass it on to somebody in your network. And then also what really, really helps is if you leave a comment, you can leave comments in Spotify now. I mean, I know not everybody's got Spotify because you assume that everyone's got Spotify, but even on the Buzzsprout website where we actually send the episodes out, there's a link there that says send me a text. And that is like...

Or just DM me. It just means so much if you could, but if you could leave the comments actually online somewhere that obviously it's just the most amazing thing. And I know sometimes Apple comments take forever to work out how to actually leave. Why do they make that so hard? don't understand. I know. Well, I just don't get it. It's like they don't want people to leave reviews, but Apple is the worst like set up, the UX for setting up comments. anyway.

But yeah, you can easily do it on Spotify or on the Buzzsprout website or DM me. And it means a lot that if somebody said, again, when I send out the newsletter about the podcast or I send out anything to say, I put a social media post out and people send me a message afterwards. I really enjoyed that. I'm so glad you got another episode out. I'm not doing it. It's not ego thing. It really is and it is. We're sharing and people appreciate it. And so I appreciate that too.

Yeah. And what sort of feedback have you received?

I said I've had DMs and people have been inspired. So what can I read out? Maybe I can read out one. on. Yeah. Okay. We have one here. It says, this is from the mindful ginger nut. Thank you, Becky. It says I struggled to stay focused on podcasts, but this podcast had my full attention from the start from hearing Andrew's own story and why the podcast assists to episodes with a special guest. It's been an inspiring listening so far and I can't wait for the next episodes to drop.

Angela (34:36.302)
So that was Becky. So thank you so much for that. I've had Dominique when Adiza read out his poem in one of his poetry and pieces asking, where can she buy it from? So that to me is just like, it's just so awesome when you hear somebody be inspired and she wrote that down in the comments.

love the poetry reading as well, but that's it. And then it's just hearing people's stories and people's take on things. And I learned quite a bit from the podcast as well. And I love it when there's so much honesty and I suppose rawness and you create a safe space to allow that vulnerability from your guests. you hear that, you hear that they feel safe with you and they are actually properly telling their story. And I think that's fantastic and really powerful, really powerful.

So, Ang, Series 2 is coming and if you get a wee teaser there, what would you say we could be, is it going to be deeper stories? What's happening? What's going on?

I know, I think it's more of a, I don't know, trying to mix it up. Do know what I would call a shout out for? Because I've had awesome people come on and they are a lot of females. And I know there are a lot of males out there that creative. So if there's any male creators that you'd love to chat to, can we get them on too please? Contact me. Or if you're one yourself, contact me, I'd love to hear from you. But nothing wrong with the sisters having them on at all, but it's just a mix it up a bit and being a bit more diverse. Yeah, so what's coming next? Oh, just.

Yeah, I've already crawled it on the set, so I hope you guys like them. And thank you for supporting, Sal. Thanks.

Heather (36:07.126)
I think we can wrap this up now. And so well done on series one completed level up series two. Thanks Ang, speak to you soon.

okay, brilliant. Thank you so much, Emma.

Bye!

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